Your reply was a lot to unpack, digest, snd accept. nase ahora para acceder a este contenido exclusivo para suscriptores de Journal, http://www.equip.org/christian-research-journal/, To the Cancel Culture: We Respectfully Decline When Believers are Told What We May or May Not Say, Polite Refusal is Called For, Christ or Lucretius: Nature and Natures God in the poems of Mary Oliver. It is common for ex-Wayers to take several years to fully separate from The Way and reorient their lives. Im not educated or enlightened by any metric, but reading that after your personal experience as well as observation grounded and solidified what you were sharing. As a result, Martindale told everyone to eliminate this and other spirit-driven malignancies from Way circles. Some retain great respect for Wierwille, while a few joke about him. They have rejected some Christian teachings (such as the Trinity17) primarily because they have accepted Way caricatures and have not fully understood them. Current Way affiliates are more than welcome to utilize . Stiles, a leader in the early charismatic movement. Atheism. Think of an abuser boyfriend who doesnt let you have friendships with other guys or other people, really, because it distracts your attention from him, the most important person in your life. He also hopes to produce more printed materials, provide a network of fellowships, and serve as a traveling teacher. This led to Martindales promise that all new Way Corps grads would obtain paid positions, which hadnt been done for over 20 years. Here's a copy of. My parents are still standing, as they say. Wierwilles death certificate lists ocular melanoma, or malignant tumor of the eye, as the underlying cause of death. We are near 70 years of age now, but the "Way" still affects us. Almost every long-time member has had at least one question such as: Why did Dr. Wierwille never speak against adultery in his Christian Family and Sex class? Why does my Limb leader often spend the night with certain twig leaders of the opposite sex? Why did our womens meeting leave the impression that a woman should satisfy any physical desire of visiting Way leaders? Why do Way leaders give contradictory answers when I ask about the biblical stance on sex outside of marriage? Why did the twig leader make sexual advances toward me the first time I attended?10, Ex-Wayers are increasingly charging The Way with false teaching and scholarship. Splinter Cults are WORSE..not better. Someone previous mentioned and shared something that we really needed to hear and hit home profoundly, she expressed that (paraphrasing) she was struggling to reconcile with her faith and being a person in the world. The stories which former (and current) Way insiders hear include many more specific charges about shocking events. The group says that it will hold classes and smaller conferences instead, including a weeklong gathering of 2,000 at The Ways auditorium in New Knoxville, July 20-27. The reason I created that thread was initial to gain some more insight. Incidentally, only Geers group has published a book by Wierwille since his death. Think of the creed is their unwritten Bible. Still involved. Followers 0. A name used by Share International. Accusations have disturbed many people and strained or broken numerous friendships. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Mostly shame, guilt, separation from anyone but the group, brainwashing. We both are still active in the remnants of one of the many splinter groups and have become the inheritors of a fellowship in limbo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2dshceGGvY&ab_channel=TheEyewitnesses. Household Prayer would be around 6am or earlier sometimes, which you couldn't miss or again you would be reprimanded. By word, character, and example, show them that there is more-than-abundant life outside The Way International.Dr. Experiences, questions, observations about offshoots who trace their roots to The Way International, Off-shoot of The Way (formerly Christian Educational Services), Accused sex predator Victor Barnard a victim's story. The Corp program was insane and I could write a huge thread just about that experience. Geers book also claims that Geer alone is spiritually able to reform The Way Ministry. Many people follow Wierwille in part because they were impressed by his claim that he took over 3,000 books on theology to the city dump3 and resolved to study the Bible alone without mens teachings.4 Although Wierwille sometimes said he learned from others, he often explicitly claimed originality. 8 Whiteside, 197-200. I dont know if this is still true, but a weird criteria at the time was that you had to be debt free to participate. And we have to consider the times: inspired by peace movements and anti-war efforts. 9 John Lynn, Overview of Events, two-cassette series, 1987. I'm pretty sure that "The Word" has quite a bit to say about murder. Take The Diary of Anne Frank for example. 8 Ibid., 67, 68. The Way International, Christian evangelical group founded in 1942 as Vesper Chimes, a radio ministry broadcast from Lima, Ohio, by Victor Paul Wierwille (1916-85). The creed and The Way are very much one and the same; The Way is just the religion they follow. There hasn't been a good gathering place for survivors since the Greasespot Cafe and I think there is a need for one. Gotta run! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2dshceGGvY&ab_channel=TheEyewitnesses. The Way is predominantly financed via its course fees and tithing. I don't talk to my family that's "in" much anymore though I do see them every so often. She was loved by many because she was easy going, fit in with many and different groups - a legitimate interest in others, etc. Yeah Um would you look at the time? Bill Green, who handles some public relations for The Ways New Knoxville, Ohio headquarters, declined to be interviewed about the classes and related developments. An iconic five-star international hotel Our hotel is located in the heart of the city and provides 180 rooms and suites. Word Until then I was personally fighting acceptance because I wasnt able to understand and someone else had not articulated a realistic and plausible answer. . Have others committed suicide? Many Wayers have accepted these allegations in part because they explain and confirm previous experiences. A place for discussion about cults and other new age religious movements. Subforums. There is also an intermediate and advanced classes. What Are Long-Time Wayers Thinking About? Because of the work of splinter groups, in recent years The Way has been marked by heightened paranoia, attention to security, and bitterness. J. Juedes, PFO Journal, 1990. Answer. terrified of seeing/interacting with a marked and avoided person because I thought their adversarial ways would rub off on me. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Offshoots - Splinter Groups : How Many Are There? 5 Lamsa considered himself an apostle and believed in clairvoyance and universalism. Im not saying that people in the Way avoid doctors entirely, but theres definitely a sense of what counts and doesnt or that people are putting waaay too much trust in men and not in God. The most prominent of these groups are John Lynns Christian Educational Services (CES) and Chris Geers The Way of Great Britain. The Way International introduced sweeping changes at the annual Rock of Ages gathering last year. In spite of its name, however, The Way . Un apologista cristiano responde a la actuacin satnica de Sam Smith y Kim Petras en los Grammy, Connect with the Christian Research Institute. "Michael John Rood is an ordained nondenominational Christian minister and Messianic rabbi," according to a brochure Rood produced to promote his seminars which . They believed that God heals and if you believe enough he can heal anything. Heads up on Another Splinter off the Way International Tree. Wierwilles writings on the topics of interpreting the Bible, soul sleep, the distinction of impersonal holy spirit from the Holy Spirit, ultradispensationalism, gospel harmony, and the mystery are all drawn from Bullinger. This article first appeared in the in the Ask Hank column of the Christian Research Journal, Feb 20, 2023 | Christian Articles, en Espanol, Feb 13, 2023 | Christian Articles, en Espanol. I get the impression her experience was exactly as youve shared. OVERVIEW OF THE WAY'S SPLINTER GROUPS. (New Knoxville, OH: American Christian Press, 1972), 209, 174, for Wierwilles claim that his book is the most original coverage of the subject, and p. 178 for his claim that God audibly promised to teach him directly and personally. Prominent ex-Way leaders took with them networks of ex-followers of TWI. 3 Highlights of The Way Corps Graduation (June 1995), cassette tape. Sometimes these classes had add-ons like Advanced Class Specials that were held in a hotel conference center in another city and had associated registration and travel fees. The false apostles disguises are being pulled from their faces, and the virgins who were led astray are returning to the one true Jesus, Spirit, and gospel, and the church of Jesus Christ. They all have been visible in speaking, writing, and leadership positions such as Region and Limb Coordinators and headquarters staff (Region Coordinator is the highest Way position other than Trustee). What practices are different from the 80s? TWI now is less than a tenth of what it was in the early 1980s, but TWI was far less than a tenth of what its . Way-Showers. This thread is like a walk down memory lane - Sunday Service tapes, the Rock of Ages, Athletes of the Spirit, all the lingo others have quoted, and Martindale's violent tirades against homosexuality in the mid 90s bring me right back. 4v$gi The Way sent out 138 Disciples to 15 cities during the Rock of Ages 1995 conference, far below a peak of 3,100 WOW Ambassadors it claimed to have sent in 1982. The group itself says it is a Christian ministry. And if the world thought you were a good homosexual it was because you had an agenda to legitimize your perversion (the way Jewish people use the Holocaust to legitimize their ungodly faith). He rightly exhorted them to reactivate critical thought rather than just change from being a Wierwille disciple to a Bullinger disciple. It's one thing to simply not condone homosexuality because it's a sin against God. These people are capable of anything. 60, Bien Hoa Street, Minh Khai Ward, Phu Ly City, Ha Nam Province,, Minh Khai, Phu Ly (Ha Nam), Vietnam, 400000 - See map. The logic has more dangerous consequences when people literally think God will cure their Cancer, Lupus, diabetes. The Ways security force has become increasingly aggressive, quickly and thoroughly investigating anyone who appears at functions like the Rock of Ages conferences9 or is on their campus without a Way nametag. . Wierwille as father, friend, and teacher, but both the Scriptures and the empirical evidence demand it. The CES meeting in May 1988 sponsored two and one-half days of biblical teachings and allowed sales of books by those attending, including Lynn, Lionel Recio, and myself.